MSR 11506 vs Big Agnes THVCS2MG20

Buy the MSR Hubba Hubba 2, model 11506, UPC 040818115060, Sahara, when you want the two-person freestanding tent the bullet calls 2 pounds 14 ounces and the trail-weight cell calls 2.9 pounds, and when you will ignore an item-weight cell that says 5.6 ounces. Buy the Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL mtnGLO, model THVCS2MG20, UPC 841487128418, when you want the lighted two-person tent and when you will ignore a floor-width cell that says 5.9 inches on a floor-area cell that says 29 square feet. These are tents. They are not sleeping bags and they are not hammocks.

Short version. A down bag and a synthetic bag go inside the tent. Two sleeping pads go under the bag. Two headlamps are a different light from the mtnGLO fabric. Two hammocks skip the tent floor entirely. Model 11506 and model THVCS2MG20 are both three-season, two-person, freestanding tents with two doors. Match the model before you match the word ultralight.

The Hubba Hubba title on this card is the two-person tent, model 11506, color Sahara. The brand is MSR. The manufacturer cell says Cascade Designs. MSR is the tent brand. Cascade Designs is the company cell. Do not reorder a Cascade Designs pad because the manufacturer cell named the parent. The UPC is 040818115060. The seasons cell says 3 Season. The occupancy cell says 2. The installation cell says Free Standing. The doors cell says 2. The vestibules cell says 2. The poles cell says 2. Those cells agree with a two-person, two-door, two-vestibule tent that stands on its poles. The floor-area cell says 29 square feet. The vestibule-area cell says 15 square feet. The maximum-height cell says 40 inches. Forty inches is a sitting height, not a standing height. The card does not print a peak height in a second unit. Use 40 inches as the cell, and duck.

The item-weight cell says 5.6 ounces. Five and six-tenths ounces is a stuff sack, not a two-person tent. The bullet says a minimum weight of 2 pounds 14 ounces, which it also prints as 1.30 kilograms. The minimum-trail-weight cell says 2.9 pounds. Two pounds 14 ounces is 2.875 pounds, which rounds to 2.9 pounds. The bullet and the trail-weight cell are the same number written two ways. They are not a conflict with each other. They are a conflict with 5.6 ounces. Do not tell a partner the tent weighs less than six ounces. Do not call 2.9 pounds a different tent from 2 pounds 14 ounces. Weigh the packed tent. If it is near 2 pounds 14 ounces, the item-weight cell is the broken field. If it is near 5.6 ounces, you did not receive model 11506.

The pole-material cell says Carbon Fiber. The bullets say Easton Syclone composite aerospace poles. Carbon fiber and a named composite pole are not the same material sentence. Easton Syclone is the bullet. Carbon fiber is the cell. Do not sell the tent as a carbon-fiber pole tent because the cell said so, and do not reject the bullet because you wanted the word carbon. Look at the pole. A composite pole and a carbon pole pack differently and they break differently. The shape cell says Square. The floor the copy describes is 84 inches long by 50 inches wide. Eighty-four by fifty is a rectangle, not a square. Twenty-nine square feet is the area cell. Eighty-four inches times 50 inches is 4,200 square inches, which is 29.17 square feet. The area cell and the 84-by-50 floor agree. The word Square does not. Buy the rectangle. Ignore the shape cell.

The stakes cell says 4. The stake-material cell says Aluminum or Steel. "Or" is not a material. The card does not say which stake is in the bag. The windows cell says 1. The pockets cell says 1. The rooms cell says 1. A two-door tent with one room is a single living space, not a divider tent. One pocket is a small organization claim. The sport-type cell lists Climbing, Cycling, and Fishing. A tent is not a climbing shoe and not a reel. Those sports are how the marketplace tagged a backpacking tent. The fabric line in the bullets is 20-denier nylon ripstop for the floor and the fly, with a DuraShield waterproof coating named in the copy. The card does not print a hydrostatic-head number next to DuraShield on this listing. Do not invent a millimeter rating for the Hubba fly. The Copper Spur card is the one that prints 1200 millimeters. Included on the Hubba card: body, rainfly, poles, stakes, guylines, tent bag, pole bag, stake bag, and instructions. That included list is more honest than the 5.6-ounce weight cell. If the pole bag is empty, the poles cell that says 2 was the promise.

The Copper Spur card is the mtnGLO version, model THVCS2MG20, not the plain Copper Spur HV UL2 and not an empty sibling listing that prints an ASIN and no photo. The style cell says 2 Person (Mtnglo). The color cell says Silver/Gray. The UPC is 841487128418. The GTIN is 00841487128418. The seasons cell says 3. The occupancy cell says 2. The doors cell says 2. The pockets cell says 2. The rooms cell says 1. The floor-area cell says 29. The vestibule-area cell says 18 square feet. Eighteen square feet of vestibule against the Hubba's 15 is a real difference on the two cards. Twenty-nine square feet of floor is the same area number. Same floor area does not mean the same floor shape. The Hubba copy gives 84 by 50. This card's floor-length cell says 88 inches. Its floor-width cell says 5.9 inches. Eighty-eight by 5.9 inches is about 3.6 square feet, not 29. The width cell is absurd. A two-person floor that is 5.9 inches wide is a strap. Use 29 square feet as the area. Use 88 inches only as a length you can check with a tape along the floor. Do not multiply 88 by 5.9 and then tell a partner the tent sleeps on a ribbon.

The maximum-height cell says 88 inches. That is the same number as the floor length. A copied length is not a peak height. The Hubba card's 40-inch height is at least a height-shaped number. This 88-inch height cell is the floor length pasted into the wrong row. The item-dimensions cell says 25 inches long by 12 inches wide by 6 inches high. Those are packed dimensions, or they are another broken row. They are not an 88-inch floor. The item-weight cell says 1.28 kilograms. One point two eight kilograms is about 2.82 pounds. The card does not also print a 5.6-ounce trap on this tent. 1.28 kilograms is a believable packed weight for this category of tent. It is still one cell. Weigh it. Do not convert it into a trail-weight minimum the card did not print. The Hubba card is the one that separates a minimum weight from an item-weight cell, and then fails the separation.

The number-of-poles cell says 1. The bullets say a pre-bent span pole and a 4-way high-volume hub. One pole cell and a hubbed span are a vocabulary fight. A single pre-bent pole can still be one pole assembly. A 4-way hub implies a crossing, which is more than a single hoop unless the hub is on that one pole. The card does not draw the structure. The pole-material cell says Aluminum. That is a cleaner material cell than the Hubba's carbon-fiber cell, because the Copper Spur bullet does not name a different fiber in the same breath. The stakes cell says 8. The guylines cell says 4. Eight stakes against the Hubba's four is a real count difference. The shape cell says Round. A round shape cell on a tent with an 88-inch floor length is the same kind of marketplace shape as the Hubba's Square. Do not pitch a circle because the cell said Round.

The water-resistance cell says 1200 millimeters. That is the hydrostatic-head style number this card prints and the Hubba card does not. Twelve hundred millimeters is a modest rainfly number in tent marketing. The card does not say whether 1200 applies to the fly, the floor, or both. The UV-protection cell literally says [SOME]. Brackets and the word SOME are not an ultraviolet rating. Ignore that cell. The product-care cell says Machine Wash. A tent that is machine washable is a surprising care cell. Do not put a pole hub in a washer because the cell said machine wash. The included line says one Big Agnes mtnGLO Copper Spur HV UL 2 person tent. It does not itemize a body, a fly, a pole bag, and stakes the way the Hubba included line does. mtnGLO is the lighted fabric in the model name. The card does not print a lumen number, a battery, or a runtime for the glow. Do not shop this tent as a flashlight. The light is the tent's own feature name, and the cells do not measure it.

Who should buy the Hubba Hubba, and who should buy the Copper Spur?

Buy model 11506 if you want the Sahara Hubba Hubba 2 and you will ignore a 5.6-ounce item weight, a carbon-fiber pole cell, and a square shape cell. Buy it if 2 pounds 14 ounces, two doors, two vestibules, a 29-square-foot floor, and a 40-inch peak are the numbers you came for, and if Easton Syclone in the bullet is the pole you are willing to own. Buy model THVCS2MG20 if you want the mtnGLO Copper Spur specifically, silver and gray, with the 1.28-kilogram weight cell, the 18-square-foot vestibule, eight stakes, and aluminum in the pole cell. Buy it if you will ignore a 5.9-inch floor width, an 88-inch height that copies the length, a one-pole cell, a round shape cell, and a UV cell that says [SOME].

Do not buy the Hubba because 5.6 ounces beat every other tent on a spreadsheet. Do not buy the Copper Spur because 88 inches of height sounded like you could stand up. Do not buy the mtnGLO tent as a lantern. Do not buy either tent as a four-person shelter. Both occupancy cells say 2. A third adult is a different tent. Do not buy the plain Copper Spur HV UL2 and expect this card's mtnGLO style cell to describe it. The model is THVCS2MG20.

What model 11506 is actually for

This card is a two-person, three-season, freestanding MSR tent in Sahara. The useful identity is model 11506, UPC 040818115060, the 2-pound-14-ounce bullet, the 2.9-pound trail cell that rounds that bullet, 29 square feet of floor, 15 square feet of vestibule, two doors, two vestibules, and a 40-inch maximum height. The 5.6-ounce item weight is the warning. Carbon fiber is the warning on the poles. Square is the warning on the shape. Four stakes and a stake material that says aluminum or steel are the stake facts, including the uncertainty. One window, one pocket, and one room are the small cells. Cascade Designs is the manufacturer cell, not a second brand of tent. The included list is the packing list you check at the trailhead: body, fly, poles, stakes, guylines, and the three bags.

DuraShield and 20-denier ripstop are the fabric words in the bullets. They are not a millimeter rating. A three-season cell is not a winter cell. The card does not print a snow-load number. Fishing, cycling, and climbing in the sport cell do not add a bike mount or a ice-axe tunnel. Pitch it as a backpacking tent. The color Sahara is the cell. A green or a red fly is a different colorway and, if the UPC changes, a different card.

What THVCS2MG20 is actually for

This card is the lighted Copper Spur two-person tent. The useful identity is model THVCS2MG20, UPC 841487128418, silver/gray, 1.28 kilograms, 29 square feet of floor, 18 square feet of vestibule, two doors, two pockets, eight stakes, four guylines, aluminum poles, and a 1200-millimeter water-resistance cell that does not say which panel it measures. The 5.9-inch width, the 88-inch height, the single pole cell, the round shape, and the UV cell that says [SOME] are the warnings. Machine wash is a care cell you should not obey with the poles in the drum. The included line is one tent, not an itemized kit. mtnGLO is in the style cell. Lumens are not.

A pre-bent span pole and a 4-way hub are the structure words in the bullets. They are how you recognize the tent in the stuff sack: a hub, not two identical straight poles you can mix up the way a simpler two-pole dome allows. The Hubba card says two poles and does not say hub in the cells we are using. If your pitch depends on a color-coded hub, confirm the hub is in the bag. This card's pole count of 1 will not help you count the pieces. One point two eight kilograms includes, if the cell is a packed weight, the stakes and the bags. The card does not print a minimum trail weight with the stakes left behind. Do not subtract the Hubba's stake logic from this kilogram and invent a lighter number.

How to pitch them without mixing the two cards

Both cards say freestanding is the Hubba's installation cell, and the Copper Spur card does not print the word freestanding in the cells above. Do not assume the mtnGLO tent needs a tree, and do not assume it can be moved fully pitched just because the Hubba cell says freestanding. Stake the Copper Spur. Eight stakes and four guylines are on its card for a reason. Stake the Hubba too. Four stakes on a freestanding tent are what keep it from becoming a kite. A freestanding cell is not a no-stake cell. Guy lines on the Hubba included list are there to be used in wind even when the tent stands on its poles in a calm yard.

Match the pole to the tent. Easton Syclone is the Hubba bullet. Aluminum is the Copper Spur cell. A carbon-fiber label printed from the Hubba cell onto a pole that is not carbon is how a repair shop orders the wrong section. The floor tape is the check on the width cell. If the Copper Spur floor is wide enough for two pads, the 5.9-inch cell was never the floor. If the Hubba floor is 50 inches wide, two wide pads will argue about the middle. Twenty-nine square feet is the shared area number. It is not a promise that two 25-inch pads fit without a gap or an overlap. The cards do not print pad compatibility. The pad comparison on this site is a different article.

What actually fails on these two cards

The Hubba card fails when 5.6 ounces is copied into a pack-weight spreadsheet. It fails when 2.9 pounds and 2 pounds 14 ounces are treated as two different tents. It fails when carbon fiber is ordered as a replacement pole and the bullet's Easton Syclone section arrives as a surprise. It fails when Square sends a buyer to look for a square footprint that the 84-by-50 floor is not. It fails when four stakes are counted as the whole pitch and the guylines stay in the bag during a storm. It fails when Climbing in the sport cell is read as a mountaineering tent. Three season is the seasons cell.

The Copper Spur card fails when 5.9 inches is copied as the floor width and a buyer decides two people cannot lie down. It fails when 88 inches is copied as the peak height. It fails when the one-pole cell is used to claim a simpler tent than the hub bullet describes. It fails when [SOME] is copied as an ultraviolet percentage. It fails when machine wash is obeyed. It fails when 1200 millimeters is quoted as the floor and the fly without the card saying which fabric. It fails when a shopper buys a different Copper Spur colorway and expects the mtnGLO style cell. It fails when 1.28 kilograms is compared with 5.6 ounces and the Hubba is declared the lighter tent.

What this comparison is not

This is not a claim about which tent is warmer. Neither card prints a temperature rating. Sleeping bags have those cells. This is not a review of every Hubba Hubba generation. Model 11506, UPC 040818115060, Sahara, is this card. A lighter Hubba LT is a different model. This is not the plain Copper Spur without mtnGLO. This is not a price quote. Use the buttons for the live listing. This is not a headlamp review and not a hammock review. The links above are the other ways to sleep and to see. This is not a promise that the mtnGLO fabric replaces a lamp. The card never prints lumens.

So which tent should you buy?

Buy the MSR if you want model 11506, Sahara, the 2-pound-14-ounce bullet, two poles you will identify from the Easton Syclone line rather than the carbon-fiber cell, and a 40-inch height cell that is at least shaped like a height. Buy the Big Agnes if you want model THVCS2MG20, the mtnGLO style, 1.28 kilograms, 18 square feet of vestibule, eight stakes, and aluminum on the pole cell. Buy neither if you wanted a six-ounce tent, an 88-inch standing height, a four-person cabin, or a square floor the shape cell only pretended to describe. The model stamp is the decision. The cells are the warnings.

The Outside Chronicles film, "WHY YOU SHOULD BUY THIS TENT? // MSR Hubba Hubba 2P (2022) Review," shows a Hubba Hubba 2. It does not confirm the Sahara colorway or model 11506 by name in the title. It does not show the Copper Spur HV UL mtnGLO. Use it for the Hubba pole layout and a two-person backpacking pitch. Do not use it as a reading of the 5.6-ounce cell or of model THVCS2MG20.