Warne 514M vs Talley TMS30M

Buy the Warne Maxima Horizontal rings, manufacturer part 514M, ASIN B07PRMJZ6Z, when you want the matte-black 30-millimeter medium ring whose model cell says 514M and whose material cell says Alloy Steel. Buy the Talley Modern Sporting rings, manufacturer part TMS30M, ASIN B08CD52RQP, when you want the aluminum Picatinny rings whose model cell says TMS30M, and when you will ignore a description that says 30mm Low and a color cell that says Multi. These are scope rings. They are not a rifle, and this page does not sell a rifle or ammunition. The rifle stays at a licensed dealer.

Short version. A Vortex CF2-31007 and a Leupold 174182 are 3-9x40 scopes, the optic these rings are asked to hold, and neither of those scope cards prints a tube diameter you can shop from. A Harris 1A2-BRM and a Magpul M-LOK bipod are the rest under the rifle, a different part. The hunting-scope roundup is the wider optic list. Rings are this page. Match 514M or TMS30M before you match the word medium.

The Warne card is ASIN B07PRMJZ6Z. The brand is WARNE. The model is 514M. The UPC is 656813106776. The color cell says Matte Black. The material cell says Alloy Steel. The global-trade number matches that UPC with a leading pair of zeros. The item-type name on the card says Holster. A holster is not a scope ring. That cell is wrong, and it is on the listing. Do not shop this ASIN as a holster, and do not let a holster filter hide it or include it for the wrong reason. The feature list, in the fields this page is using, says MAXIMA HORIZONTAL and does not print a height, a weight, a torque, or a tube diameter. The title and the model carry the 30-millimeter medium claim. The feature line does not repeat it.

Warne's own page for part 514M is the document that prints the numbers the Amazon feature omits. It says medium height, 30-millimeter tube, dimension B 0.375 inch, dimension C 0.650 inch, weight 6.0 ounces, steel, matte black, a fit for objectives up to 52 millimeters, and a fit for Picatinny rails and Weaver-style bases. It says the rings are horizontally split, CNC machined from sintered steel, with four T-15 cap screws, a square recoil key, and a return-to-zero claim. The installation note says 25 inch-pounds on the clamp screws and 18 inch-pounds maximum on the cap screws, dry, with no thread locker, and it says to follow the scope maker's torque if the scope maker printed one. Those numbers are Warne's page. They are not Amazon cells on B07PRMJZ6Z. Quote them as Warne's page or do not quote them. Sintered steel on Warne's page and Alloy Steel on the Amazon material cell are the same family of words only if you are willing to say so. The card does not print the word sintered.

The Talley card is ASIN B08CD52RQP. The brand is Talley. The model is TMS30M. The UPC is 810301023598. The color cell says Multi. Multi is not black, and it is not a finish. The material cell says Aluminum. The mounting-type cell says Picatinny Mount. The objective-lens-diameter cell says 30 millimeters. That cell is mislabeled. Thirty millimeters on a ring is the tube the ring closes around, not the objective lens of the scope. A 40-millimeter objective, which is what CF2-31007 and 174182 print, is not a 30-millimeter ring. The ring is for the tube. The night-vision cell says No. That cell does not mean the scope is illegal at dusk. It means the listing's night-vision field is No. The features are generic: product type sporting goods, package quantity 1, no batteries required, country of origin United States. There is no height cell and no weight cell.

The Talley description says "30mm Low, Black, Alloy." The model is TMS30M. Dealers listing TMS30M call it medium. Centerfire's page for TMS30M prints a centerline height of .900 inch and a weight of 0.27 pounds, aluminum, black anodized. A different dealer page prints a height of 0.99 inch for the same model string. Point nine hundred and 0.99 are not the same height. This page will not average them into 0.945 and call it Talley's number. The Amazon description says Low. The model suffix and the dealers say medium. Low versus medium is the contradiction you resolve by measuring the ring you received, not by trusting the adjective in the description. Black in the description and Multi in the color cell are the same kind of contradiction. Look at the finish.

Steel versus aluminum is the difference the material cells actually print. Alloy Steel is the Warne cell. Aluminum is the Talley cell. Warne's page adds a 6.0-ounce pair weight that the Amazon card does not print. A dealer page adds 0.27 pounds for the Talley pair, which is about 4.3 ounces, and that weight is not an Amazon cell on B08CD52RQP. If you came here for a lighter ring, you are comparing a manufacturer page to a dealer page, and you should say so. The Amazon cards, read alone, tell you steel and aluminum and then stop. Horizontal split and a recoil key are Warne's page. A cross-bolt Picatinny clamp is the dealer description of TMS30M. The Talley Amazon mounting cell says Picatinny and does not say Weaver. The Warne page says both Picatinny and Weaver. Do not put the Talley ring on a Weaver base because the Warne page allows it.

Who should buy 514M, and who should buy TMS30M?

Buy 514M if you want part 514M, the matte-black cell, the alloy-steel cell, and the Maxima Horizontal name, and if you will throw out the holster item type and you will get height and torque from Warne's page rather than from an Amazon cell that does not exist. Buy TMS30M if you want part TMS30M, the aluminum cell, and the Picatinny mounting cell, and if you will throw out the color cell, throw out the word Low in the description until you have measured, and you will not treat 0.99 inch and .900 inch as one dealer. Buy the Warne if the steel page and the Weaver-or-Picatinny note are the reason. Buy the Talley if the Amazon card has to say Picatinny and aluminum in cells, and the scope tube you measured is 30 millimeters.

Do not buy either ring as a scope. The Crossfire II and the VX-Freedom are the 3-9x40 comparison, and those cards do not print a tube diameter. A 30-millimeter ring on a 1-inch tube is the wrong ring no matter which adjective said medium. Measure the tube. Do not buy either ring as a rifle. There is no firearm ASIN on this page and there is no firearm in the photograph. A dealer transfers the rifle. Do not buy the Talley for a Weaver rail. The mounting cell does not say Weaver.

What is 514M actually for?

This card is a pair of scope rings, part 514M, ASIN B07PRMJZ6Z, UPC 656813106776, matte black, alloy steel, with a holster label you should not believe. Use Warne's page for the 30-millimeter tube, the medium height, the 0.375-inch and 0.650-inch dimensions, the 6.0-ounce weight, the 52-millimeter objective clearance, and the torque notes, and say that you are using Warne's page. Use the Amazon card for the model, the color, the material word Alloy Steel, and the warning that the item type says Holster. The return-to-zero sentence is Warne's. It is not an Amazon cell, and it is not a promise that a scope returned to a different rifle returns to zero. The clamp screws at 25 inch-pounds and the cap screws at 18 inch-pounds maximum are Warne's dry-torque notes. The scope maker's torque, if it is lower, wins, because Warne's page says so.

Four cap screws are Warne's installation description. The Amazon feature does not count them. A vertical-split ring is a different Warne family. This part is the horizontal split on Warne's page. If the rings in the box are vertical split, they are not the 514M page you read, even if the finish is matte. The recoil key is supposed to be pushed toward the muzzle before the clamp is tightened. That is Warne's order of operations. The Amazon card does not print it. Skip it and the key does not seat, and the zero you blame on the scope was a ring that never touched the rail the way the maker described.

What is TMS30M actually for?

This card is a pair of aluminum rings, part TMS30M, ASIN B08CD52RQP, UPC 810301023598, mounting type Picatinny, with a color cell that says Multi and a description that says Low and Black. Use the model number, not the adjective. Use the material cell, which says Aluminum, not the description's word Alloy, which fights the cell. Use a straightedge on the rail if you need to know whether the height clears a 40-millimeter objective. The dealers do not agree with each other or with the word Low, so the dealer page is a lead, not a cell. Lapping is something a dealer page says will void the warranty. The Amazon features do not mention lapping. If you lap the rings, you are off the Amazon card and onto that dealer's warning. Country of origin United States is the feature that is actually specific. No batteries required is a feature that describes a ring by describing something a ring does not use.

Picatinny is a rail spec, MIL-STD-1913, and the dealer copy says the ring meets it. The Amazon cell says Picatinny Mount and stops. A Weaver rail is narrower in the slot spacing. The Talley card does not say Weaver. Seat the ring in a Picatinny slot, cross-bolt where the dealer says the clamp is, and do not borrow Warne's 25 inch-pounds unless Talley printed that number on a page you are willing to cite. This Amazon extract does not print a Talley torque. Over-torqued aluminum is a stretched thread. Under-torqued aluminum is a scope that walks. The card leaves you to the maker's sheet, which is the honest state of the listing.

How do you mount them without mixing the two cards?

Measure the scope tube before you open either box. Thirty millimeters is the ring the titles and the Talley cell are pointing at, with the Talley cell mislabeled as an objective. A 1-inch tube needs a 1-inch ring, and neither of these model numbers is that ring. Set the rings on the rail the card allows. Warne's page allows Picatinny and Weaver. Talley's Amazon cell says Picatinny. Push a Warne recoil key the way Warne's page says, toward the muzzle, before the clamp comes up to the 25 inch-pounds on that page. Level the reticle with a plumb line or a level, not with the horizon you hope is level. Torque the caps to the scope maker's number if you have it, and do not exceed Warne's 18 inch-pounds if you are following Warne and the scope maker was silent. Do not copy those inch-pounds onto the Talley. Talley's Amazon card did not print them.

Eye relief is a scope problem. The scope cards in the Crossfire and VX-Freedom comparison do not print an eye-relief number either. Slide the scope in the rings before the caps are final. A 40-millimeter objective in a low ring hits a barrel or a rail. The Talley description says Low. If the bell touches, the description was telling the truth and the medium dealers were not, or the rail is higher than you thought. Look before the last turn of the wrench. The bipod page is the rest. The ring page is not a substitute for a rest, and a rest is not a substitute for rings that match the tube.

What actually fails on these two cards?

The Warne card fails when the item type Holster is read as the product. It fails when Warne's 6.0 ounces, 0.375 inch, and 25 inch-pounds are called Amazon cells. It fails when sintered steel is treated as a word the material cell printed. It fails when a vertical-split ring is accepted as 514M. It fails when the Talley's Weaver silence is ignored and a Talley is clamped to a Weaver base because Warne allows Weaver. It fails when the ring is ordered as a rifle.

The Talley card fails when Multi is read as black. It fails when the description's Low is read as settled and the dealers' medium is also read as settled. It fails when .900 inch and 0.99 inch are averaged. It fails when the 30-millimeter objective cell is read as the scope's objective. It fails when 0.27 pounds from a dealer is called an Amazon weight. It fails when Warne's torque is used on the Talley without a Talley page that says the same number. It fails when the rings are lapped against a dealer warning the buyer did not read. It fails when the ring is photographed or sold as a firearm. This page does not do that.

What is this comparison not?

This is not a scope review. This is not a bipod review. This is not a rifle review. There is no firearm photograph. This is not every Warne Maxima. One-inch rings and vertical-split rings are other parts. This is not every Talley. A low ring with a different model number may be the ring the description was trying to name, and it is not TMS30M until the box says TMS30M. This is not a price quote. Use the buttons. This is not a torque certificate. The only torque numbers in this article are the ones Warne's page prints, and they are labeled that way.

So which 30-millimeter rings should you buy?

Buy the Warne if you want part 514M, ASIN B07PRMJZ6Z, the matte-black cell, the alloy-steel cell, and you will get the height and the torque from Warne's page and throw out the word Holster. Buy the Talley if you want part TMS30M, ASIN B08CD52RQP, the aluminum cell, and the Picatinny cell, and you will throw out Multi and you will measure the height the description calls Low. Buy neither if you wanted an Amazon weight on both cards, an Amazon torque on both cards, or a rifle in the box. The material cell is the decision. The Talley description and the Warne item type are the warnings.

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